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It's been suggested that guidelines be developed for posting on MIP.  Any MIP member can reply here with suggestions for items to include in the guidelines.  

After two weeks, we will compile the ideas into a draft for MIP members to vote on. 

After the group conscience is completed, we'll post the guidelines for the MIP Business Board.  

The individual fellowships of AA, ACA, NA, Alanon, and CODA operate as separate entities.  Individual fellowships can decide if they want to adopt or modify the guidelines for their board.  



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I suggest that we embrace the Spiritual principles of each program and treat each other with courtesy and respect-- Recognizing that the''mods on each Board are the recognized authortiy there and respond respectfully to them,

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  smile To clarify. Will apply to the message boards, the chat meetings, or both?



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 The ACA board already has a set of standards, for the moderators to follow.

So maybe that could be pinned up- and any additions or amendments needed- could be determined by the group.

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There already are Posting Guidelines; look at the link in the lower right of the Reply window:

 

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I suggest that we embrace the Spiritual principles of each program and treat each other with courtesy and respect-- Recognizing that the''mods on each Board are the recognized authortiy there and respond respectfully to them,


  I also believe that inflammatory and harassing private messages should be outlawed, and member not be allowed, depending on the severity of the private message, a firm warning and then being banned on repeat offenses or if the offense is bad enough the first time around, members should be banned. The private messaging board is a privilege not a right and should not be violated in anyway regarding the safety of the recipient. Any facet of the MIP community such as posting on public forums, private messaging, the business board, any part of the MIP community should be treated with the utmost of courtesy and respect as Betty states above



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Thank you karen for posting this reference. I think it is very clear, the posting guidelines. Not much needs to be said as far as I am concerned regarding the clarity of these guidelines this should also include private messaging members as well  Also any destructive post whether it is public or private should constitute immediate punitive action against the offending member and if it continues, the members should be banned

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The anonymous posts are authored by me and my name is mamalioness, Co-moderator of the ACA board , Along with Mrs. Snoopy.  One of my post here I forgot to sign my name, I am on my phone and I cannot log on as my name so please accept my apologies for that one anonymous post which is authored by me, thank you



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I suggest that we embrace the Spiritual principles of each program and treat each other with courtesy and respect-- Recognizing that the''mods on each Board are the recognized authortiy there and respond respectfully to them,


  I also believe that inflammatory and harassing private messages should be outlawed, and member not be allowed, depending on the severity of the private message, a firm warning and then being banned on repeat offenses or if the offense is bad enough the first time around, members should be banned. The private messaging board is a privilege not a right and should not be violated in anyway regarding the safety of the recipient. Any facet of the MIP community such as posting on public forums, private messaging, the business board, any part of the MIP community should be treated with the utmost of courtesy and respect as Betty states above


 This post is our third by me  I cannot login on my phone so I am clarifying that anonymous is me

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Good Morning!!! I am on my computer, now, and I am the "anonymous" poster, above and I stand by my comments..the Guidelines created by John F. (may he rest in peace) are clear, concise, fair and to the point..Also I agree with what Betty said as well..Not much I can contribute beyond just Identifying myself as the "anonymous" poster...

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Each Board has the standards listed. i believe they should be posted clearly at the top of the board with the statement that any member who violates the guidlines willl be banned from posting

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Thanks Betty..

I read the standards...lots to copy and paste as Karen said..How about we post a link?? That said, when a member is referred to these standards over and over and gently told that suspension/ban will result if those standards are violated, I think it was /is MORE than clear what is acceptable and what is not..John F spelled it out very very clearly so even folks speaking English as 2nd language , no problems understanding what he set forth re: safety and proper conduct

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I second what Betty posted in her first post, in it's entirety. Simple, effective, long standing with no problems arising from that structure that I  am aware of. 



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I also concur with Betty's entire first post...

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  I agree with Betty, along with Hidden, and Freetime- who are the moderators for this MIP Business Board.

 I move that the rules and guidelines for moderators be pinned up as a sticky- to this board. 



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I suggest that a permanent ban from the MIP Business Board be decided with a group conscience. It is a method John F used, documented and recorded as administrator. It followed the traditions, concepts of service and general warranties.
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hidden, I have been a member since 2005 and I have never heard of this. 

As Hotrod said, and david agreed with, "I suggest that we embrace the Spiritual principles of each program and treat each other with courtesy and respect-- Recognizing that the''mods on each Board are the recognized authortiy there and respond respectfully to them,"          

Mrs. Snoopy

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Mrs_Snoopy wrote:

hidden, I have been a member since 2005 and I have never heard of this. 

As Hotrod said, and david agreed with, "I suggest that we embrace the Spiritual principles of each program and treat each other with courtesy and respect-- Recognizing that the''mods on each Board are the recognized authortiy there and respond respectfully to them,"          

Mrs. Snoopy

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 I have been member since at least 2009 and I never heard of this either...Moderators ban all the time w/out GC...I am member of alanon as well and I remember one time I got out of line with a member and I got pm warning from moderator to "settle down, or I would be gone" and I was smart enough to settle down..... and I remember when 3 ladies got "into it" , same board, and it wasn't all that bad, but they would not stop....ALL THREE were kicked out...NO GC....they were OUT....end of case...I was friendly with one and she wrote me via email and said that "yea, she sorta asked for it, but had to *speak her truth* "    THAT I SAW!!!!   mods ban folks all the time....what are we here for if not "recognized authority there and respond respectfully to them"  as Betty said it correctly....

Now I REALIZE that we are talking about the business board, but it still is MIP...and harrassing and threatening posts and messages, constitutes a ban IMHO...I had hoped that HERE people would present salient issues in a professional, spiritual minded and courteous manner.... .

Sincerely

 

mamalioness Co-Moderator, ACA group

 

 

 



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 Hidden... there was no Business Board here- when John was around- so how could anyone be banned from it???



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Hmmm carefully reading the minutes- transcript here... and back to the topic.

The guidelines- are in fact here, as Mrs Snoopy has said- next to the Reply icon.

I have put it forward- for the group conscience to consider- whether a copy should be included, up at the stop of the board- as a sticky.

I have been to a lot of group conscience meetings- and we always defer back to the person who is chairing... Webhelper... and to the topic.

One thing at a time, ladies and gentlemen. aww ...



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WebHelper wrote:

It's been suggested that guidelines be developed for posting on MIP.  Any MIP member can reply here with suggestions for items to include in the guidelines.  

After two weeks, we will compile the ideas into a draft for MIP members to vote on. 

After the group conscience is completed, we'll post the guidelines for the MIP Business Board.  

The individual fellowships of AA, ACA, NA, Alanon, and CODA operate as separate entities.  Individual fellowships can decide if they want to adopt or modify the guidelines for their board.  


This Group Conscience is supposed to be about the Posting Guidelines.  Since we have comprehensive Guidelines written by our Founder, I'm not sure what the question is.

The current Guidelines need to be enforced.

 



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Banning by group conscience for the business board. Well if I remember correctly Hidden and one other were combined to be web helper. It was understood that where technical matters arose, that would be within your respective ambit to take care of. I see no issue with a group conscience to further decide the matter should the matter arise. It supports a non-unilateral approach to what must be a punitive measure, ie: that of banning a member. But I would like to see some rules developed re: quorum required to enforce and where representation must occur and when and whether the measure taken is likely to impact beyond what it sought to initially address. That way, if there ever arises a problem with a decision, members/mods have a guideline to refer to as to whether the decision stands.

On the flip side, the magic of this programme is where members place the principles above the personalities. I like rules because as an alanoner I have control issues. Sometimes that works out well but other times it just complicates what is simple and can be achieved where there is goodwill. In my heart opinion, I think that a continual focus on the 12 step programme and the practice of what is taught within it, almost always leads to the right solution at the right time and this can not be achieved by the mere existence of rules and regulations alone.

I am sure we will arrive where ever we are meant to regarding this matter; sending everyone lots of good vibes on the way.

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Well said A41 I agree

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My understanding of a Moderator's job is to ensure the safety of this board.  If a member violates the Posting Guidelines, it is up to them to enforce it.  IMHO, a group conscience would be divisive and turn into a messy personality contest.

If someone shows toxic behavior they need to be 1) warned and 2) banned poste haste.  To allow that behavior compromises the safety of this board.



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Mrs_Snoopy wrote:

My understanding of a Moderator's job is to ensure the safety of this board.  If a member violates the Posting Guidelines, it is up to them to enforce it.  IMHO, a group conscience would be divisive and turn into a messy personality contest.

If someone shows toxic behavior they need to be 1) warned and 2) banned poste haste.  To allow that behavior compromises the safety of this board.


  Dear Mrs. Snoopy. I agree with you 1000%. I have never seen an atmosphere where toxic and attacking behavior was allowed. I agree with you and I feel, for my safety, and my program, it is best that I basically stay over in my lane which is ACA and distance mySelf From any atmosphere that does not enforce the safety for ALL.  This is why principals over personalities Is so important because there are individuals that are maybe more popular to a moderator then perhaps others. But the rules should apply equally to every member. Principles over personalities

This is why principles over personalities



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Great point Mrs Snoppy. I agree compleerly

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 Hmmm the group conscience is the function of any 12 Step group... and the group itself determines this, within reason. Our MIP ACA is an official registered group [unlike MIP Alanon]. So all our group functions [as best we can] go through some sort of conscience meeting.

It is not the purpose of the moderators to run the meetings, or to determine what the group conscience is. They are members, like everyone else.

So here each pod the groups has a business meeting, and we have a combined business board here.

The rules and guidelines for MIP are a function of this group. There are no walls, windows, or doors. So I suppose there has to be some form of security

In all my 38 years of f2f meetings- I have never seen anyone sent from the rooms, let alone banished from the group. In fact- where the cross-talk guideline applies, I have never seen it inside of a meeting.

Perhaps an older member might have a quiet chat with a younger member [occasionally] about the rules and guidelines.

in the USA, as AA Open Meetings, I have seen speakers shamed in front of the company once or twice. but there is usually another meeting round the corner- so what the heck!

In my part of the world there is no such luxury. Our meetings are small and few and far between. So we have to settle things, as they are.

 



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A reminder that this thread applies to the Business Board only. Please keep your Posts, Private Messages, Replies etc. to the purpose of the Business board.

It's been suggested that guidelines be developed for posting on MIP. Any MIP member can reply here with suggestions for items to include in the guidelines.

After two weeks, we will compile the ideas into a draft for MIP members to vote on.

After the group conscience is completed, we'll post the guidelines for the MIP Business Board.

The individual fellowships of AA, ACA, NA, Alanon, and CODA operate as separate entities. Individual fellowships can decide if they want to adopt or modify the guidelines for their board.


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-- Edited by WebHelper on Sunday 29th of September 2019 10:32:33 PM



-- Edited by WebHelper on Sunday 29th of September 2019 10:34:53 PM

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Thank you all for reminding me to continue to let the program grow in me one day at a time.

I'm grateful that when I first came and to this day have always been gently guided back to the steps, traditions, concepts of service. I have been reminded to keep an open mind for the lack of understanding of which there have been many and as I grow are sure to grow in number. (And are probably happening now lol)

As this particular board effects the website as a whole and there are currently no guidelines for moderation or posting, developing some that honors not only the principles of my chosen program, which is the only one I can work, but also honors all the principles of the other programs through those fellowship members input seems to be resonable.

I cannot work or understand another fellowships program I can only work my own.

In that understanding and that I'm an alanon and love me some guidelines ;)

I would suggest the following moderator guidelines

1. Editing or deletion of the issue

2. Private Warning

3.Repetition of the issue Temporary suspension decided by moderators followed by reinstatement

4. Deliberate Repetition of issue, temporary suspension. group conscience of trusted servants for understanding and action.

As a new moderator these guidelines would have helped me personally to understand what the moderator role entailed much like the description of the Service Postion of WebMaster I was provided or the many service positions described in my Alanon service manual. (I also would have run for the hills if not for trial by fire :) but am grateful for the growth)

Looking forward to more HP knows I'll get it ;)

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 aww Thankfully on the Alanon board- such actions are rare!

 I believe that there should be a line of appeal- to blocking, or an outright ban.

This is a traditional right for all of our 12 step groups.

 

     A line of review- of the decision- and an opportunity for a step 10, for one, or t'other, or both parties...

     at the earliest stage of proceedings... -thanks...  this line of appeal should be on the business board of the group concerned.- at least initially. aww... 



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 Laundry List 7.

We get guilt feelings when we stand up for ourselves instead of giving in to others.

 

People come to ACA, ACOA, or ACA W-F to learn to deal with this one. 

This is a classic boundary area that most adult children have a lot of difficulty with. Our leaders are no exception to this. biggrin ... [and that includes me, of course! smile ].

So, being given the opportunity- when threatened with a blocking, or a ban- to sort out the actual issue- is an essential part of our journey.

Thanks.



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Mrs_Snoopy wrote:

My understanding of a Moderator's job is to ensure the safety of this board.  If a member violates the Posting Guidelines, it is up to them to enforce it.  IMHO, a group conscience would be divisive and turn into a messy personality contest.

If someone shows toxic behavior they need to be 1) warned and 2) banned poste haste.  To allow that behavior compromises the safety of this board.


 
Safety I agree with wholeheartedly. Completely. However, the Posting Guidelines are, esoteric in my opinion, and lacking substance. That said, I find it leaves a tremendous amount of latitude. In addition, as far as the group conscience, I found that to be the biggest joke of all. Even with an issue, or issues being discussed, when a group conscience is mentioned, it was a very select few who decided whether or not there would even be one. Lovely, just lovely. To me, that fosters an environment where you have bullies. Maybe not in the traditional form or fashion, but bullies nonetheless.

I agree completely regarding the toxic matter -- warned and banned -- however, vis a vis the banning, I just don't think a decision like that, post-haste or not, should be left in the hands of one. Then again, this is not a conference approved alanon forum, so expecting real standards is probably a fallacious thought process. Egregious, yes. Obvious, yes. But unilateral can be a slippery slope.



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By the way, if the discussion is about the Posting Guidelines, wouldn't a group conscience be called for? Applicable? Appropriate?

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Thank you to everyone who participated in the group conscience discussion about guidelines for the MIP Business Board.

From the points made in the discussion, we would like to propose adding a sticky to the MIP Business Board, with the guidelines shown below..

Please note that the guidelines under #2 below are identical to the Posting Guidelines linked in the Reply window of the forums, with the addition of moderator guidelines shown in bold in the Moderation section.

We request that anyone who wishes to, read the proposal below and then respond with a vote to adopt, not adopt, abstain, or request clarification on the guidelines for the MIP Business Board.   

Thank you, 

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[Proposed] MIP Business Board Guidelines

These guidelines are intended for the MIP Business Board.  Each fellowship (AA, Al-Anon, ACA, CODA, NA) operates independently on its discussion forum and online meetings.

  1. Please embrace the spiritual principles of each program and treat each other with courtesy and respect, recognizing that the moderators on each Board are the recognized authority there and respond respectfully to them.

  1. This forum is intended to provide an atmosphere of open communication, where each member can share his or her own insights and opinions. To help achieve this goal, we ask that you:

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  • Moderators may take these actions when Guidelines have been breached:

1. Editing or deletion of the post 

2. Private warning to the member with reason based on the guidelines

3. If the issue is repeated by the member:  Temporary suspension for a period of time decided by moderators, followed by reinstatement

4. If there is deliberate repetition of the issue, temporary suspension and group conscience of trusted servants for understanding and recommended action.

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